Monday, August 16, 2010

Feminism: The Flying Purple People Eaters!

2 comments Posted by Hannah at 7:00 AM

One Eyed, One Horned, Flying Purple People Eater!
I was reading an interview with Mary Kassian and Nancy Leigh DeMoss, and how they feel that women wish to change the bible to make it more palatable for them.

I have to admit I haven’t seen myself some of the examples they claim is real life in some churches.  I’m no spring chicken, and have been to many churches in the past.  I have never had an issue with God as the Father, and using the male terms in regards to him.

I have wonder if they like to repeat this so often that people actually believe it.

It amazes me how they can turn feminism into their pet: One eyed, One Horned, Flying Purple People Eater!   (Its a children's song - see link)

I realize there are some people that have had ugly experiences with men in general, and that doesn’t always have to be women I’m speaking about.  They have a hard time not using those experiences with humans, and not transferring that image to God the Father.  I have also seen people overcome this fear and struggle.  How?  People could empathize with them due to their experiences, and helped them with this image.

I’m sure in the past some people would change the term “God” into something more female, and just outright rejected God due to fears within the human race.  I’m also sure there are some true radicals that find the masculine terms towards God offensive as well, but I truly haven’t experienced this in mainstream society like they seem to have. 

Mainstream is what they are claiming here!

They are attempting to use a small segment of the population, and making it into a one eyed, one horn flying purple people eater!

For example, she used:

Nancy: Was this just a matter of semantics or did altering those symbols really alter something more important than the symbols?
Mary: Whenever you change the symbol, you change the meaning. We have before us here, Nancy, just an example of the Lord’s Prayer that really illustrates this.
Nancy: I thought this was fascinating because you have side-by-side the traditional reading. Let me just read a few phrases from that, and then you tell me what the modified reading with the more inclusive, feminized language would say.
For example, the traditional reading starts, “Our Father, who art in heaven.” And the modified says . . .
Mary: The modified would say, “Our Mother/Father or our Heavenly Parent who is everywhere.”


Friday, August 13, 2010

Gender Equality denies differences between male and female!

2 comments Posted by Hannah at 3:19 PM

I just finished Woman this is WAR! By Jocelyn Andersen author of another book called, Woman Submit!

It was Chapter 20 called, Smokescreens, Mantras and Slogans that truly resonated with me today.  I think that is because we see these parroted statements all the time, and yet there is no foundation to it.  In fact if you truly stop to hear the statements, and not just take some ‘organization’ or ‘authors’ word for it?  You can see and feel the twists and turns they take to make a point out of pretty much lies.

Gender Equality denies differences between male and female!

From the time we are born it doesn’t take your parents to point it out to you that there are indeed differences.  I mean seriously?  What a silly statement!

There are intrinsic differences between the genders that would be impossible for anyone to change.  You can deny it all you want to, but with most people if you do claim this?  They are going to wonder about your sanity.


CBMW claims that gender equality makes ‘men become more like women, and women become like men’ intrinsically.  What they are truly trying to get across?  Women that wish equality resent men’s authority that we claim God gave us.

Matthew 7:

A Tree and Its Fruit

 15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

If we look at history anyone can see that women have been fighting for basic ‘human’ rights.   They were not trying to be men at all.  The same lame statements had been made of women of the past as well.

The ‘place’ of women if you will, and their basic rights as humans is what they are striving for.  They aren’t looking to abandon their families, abort their babies, run all over men, and ‘have it all’.  I mean according to their theory if women are trying to be like men?  Are they saying men want it all?


Saturday, August 07, 2010

Links of Interest!

2 comments Posted by Hannah at 2:28 PM

Links of Interest















Jocelyn Andersen has finally released her new book, Woman this is War!

“Woman this is WAR!...,” takes a new look at old arguments traditionally used to keep men and women enslaved in illegitimate bondage based on sex, and just as the Bible did not condone the sin of slavery based on skin color, it also does not condone a slavery-like caste system based on gender. Jesus said we would know the truth and the truth would set us FREE. Andersen challenges Christian men and women to embrace and appreciate God-given gender differences without giving place to haughty spirits of superiority, degrading feelings of inferiority, hatred, prejudice, fear of one another’s differences, or the sinful need to either be in charge or to submit in an idolatrous manner.

I have to mention you will enjoy her footnotes just as much as the information she shares.  I also enjoy history, and she discloses history in a way that others may not wish to have it remembered.  I plan on writing more about this book at a later date!

Quivering Daughters is another book that has been released recently, and Hillary has been speaking about it as she wrote it on her blog.  You can read her first chapter that she shares on the Quivering Daughters blog itself. 

"It is a grave disservice to the heart, soul, body and spirit of a woman when she is given the subtle message that the truth of her own pain is not as important as the reputation of the ones who inflict it."

Waneta Dawn, author of Behind the Hedge wrote an article called:  Predicting Which Husband will Murder his Wife .

However, the domestic violence workers say the best predictor of domestic murder is verbal/emotional abuse. What causes a person to use verbal/emotional abuse against the very person they claim to love? It is an attitude and belief of entitlement. The belief that he is entitled to have his way, to have what he wants. Verbal and emotional abuse are caused by the belief that he is entitled to cast the deciding vote, to have authority that his spouse does not have. It is a belief in his own superiority, that the rules don’t apply to him.

Commandments of Men had an article that was very touching:

Men defying scripture to become "high priest of the home". Unfortunately for this methodology, the Spirit of God doesn't reside in a temple made by man (Acts 17:24) and doesn't dwell in the "home". This negates the need for any "high priest of the home", as the high priest, literally defined, is one who deals with God on behalf of the people. WE are the temple. I repeat...WE are the temple. WE, through the completed work of Christ, house the Spirit of God within us. There is ONE who deals with God on our behalf: Jesus Christ (1st Timothy 2:5). All of the scripture speaks against the notion of "the high priest of the home". It's a dangerous, destructive, and spiritually abusive idea. No more need for a high priest. We have a perfect and eternal High Priest who doesn't need our help. His work is complete.

Suzanne's Bookshelf wrote:  What does Wifely Submission look like?
We understand that CBMW teaches that men may have to "reestablish rulership" over their wife, and "exert leadership." This is a proactive attempt to ensure that the wife does submit. The language for leadership of the wife, is similar to that of the children, and the question may be asked by the husband "how do I enforce subordination?" The husband may resort to punitive measures.

But what does CBMW say that submission of the wife looks like?
Its very thought provoking!

Words of a Fether issued: An Example of CBMW Dogma

At this link you will find what CBMW views as a summary of the complementarian/egalitarian debate. Here is my analysis.

The summary of the egal. position seems fair enough, if over-simplified. But the summary of the comp. position seems to have been written as though they forgot what they just said about the egal position. Hopefully they’re only reciting the positions and not issuing the comp side as the rebuttal. We’ll see.

Under I-A they start off with the adjectives: ” the male was given the responsibility of loving authority over the female, and the female was to offer willing, glad-hearted and submissive assistance to the man”. Take away the over-used adjectives and the teaching is much clearer: in spite of there being scriptural grounding for full equality before sin, the woman is asserted to be the underling of the man. They engage in circular reasoning by first presuming that Gen. 2 “bears out” different “expressions” of humanity (no specific verses are cited, since none exist), then presuming that this assertion is what Paul would later read there as well. They change the true complementarity of male and female (like the left and right hands) into the hierarchy of dominance and submission, which somehow is made legitimate by flowery adjectives alone.

Very interesting read, and also she has very good points!

Shirley Taylor of Baptist Women for Equality's Blog was one of the Seneca Falls speakers I spoke about recently.

She wrote an article, called 'What SBC pastors won’t tell men'.  It's about a preacher that preaches the Danver's Statement to the extreme, and how he arrogantly shouted during a sermon '“Women, if you don’t like it, take it up with Peter.  He’s the one that said it.  I just read it.”  Nice huh?  Anyway, she wrote him a quick note afterwards...


Thanks for taking the time to write. I’m sorry you see the SBC position as a “hard line stance against women.” I would respectfully disagree. I believe the SBC has accurately interpreted the Scriptures and desires to obey our loving Lord on this issue.

This is obviously a cause you are very passionate about and committed to, and there is little chance of me changing your mind. But if you are genuinely interested in learning more about what the Bible teaches on this subject and would be willing to yield to God’s teaching, I would be happy to pass along some Scriptures and recommended reading.

After I got his email, my husband checked him out on his website. This pastor had just finished a 12 part sermon and he summed it up in the last sermon by saying:

“men are ordained to be the head of the household, and the church.”  Same old story.  Men are ordained to lead, and it is just women stopping them again.  How big is that apple?

He is in California and I had great hopes that he would be supportive!  But you can see his mind is as closed as mine is when it comes to equality for women.

I wrote back and said, “I got a chuckle out of your reply.  I was so with you when you talked about my passion, but then you told me I had a closed mind and was unwilling to yield to God’s teaching.”

Then I said, “I’ll see you in heaven someday.  I guess I will be in the women’s section.  I’ll wave.”

I had to giggle at her response to his passive aggressive response to her.

Anyway, this is my partial list of links of interest!  I have more, but ran out of time!

Tuesday, August 03, 2010

Agenda - its so clear to see!

9 comments Posted by Hannah at 9:10 PM

Our Agenda
Let the name calling begin!  I just did a quick web search on the recently released, FREEDOM FOR CHRISTIAN WOMEN COALITION demand for an apology over teachings that can lead down the wrong path.  As usual when you speak out against how approaches to this could lead to dangerous circumstances?  The dysfunctional men that stand behind them (Counsel of Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) start fanning the flames of some feminist uprising, because they refuse to see past the end of their nose.   To me you see agenda.

Why do say AGENDA?  Way of Life it seems got extremely defensive over it, and without knowing WHOM the people are behind the request!  Lets look at the their point of view, because it shows the attitude right away.  CHRISTIAN FEMINISTS DEMAND APOLOGY FOR “TEACHING THAT DENIGRATES WOMEN”

Does David Cloud know the sources in which he calls 'feminists'?  It doesn't seem so, or he wouldn't have placed that out there.  A respected author would know their sources, and its a shame he got lazy on that part.  A respected writer always tends to allow their writers to make up their minds, and get people thinking as well!  Sadly, you can tell by his agenda ridden article that it wouldn't have mattered anyway WHOM the people are.  He didn't like it, and so they are feminists.  It sounds like a title that may catch some attention though doesn't it?  

The saddest part is?  He never read the apology before he starts making strange over the top comments about it.  If he claims he read it?  I think he may wish to go back, and read it again.

A group that calls itself the Freedom for Christian Women Coalition has issued a “Demand for Apology” from those who teach that women should submit to their husbands and that they are forbidden to preach.
I mean look at the very first statement?  Does that sum up the apology at all?  Not even close.  Its a way of getting his readers all fired up.


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