Monday, August 24, 2009

Submit to your husband

Posted by Hannah at 12:41 PM

I think I have made myself clear over the years that I don't believe that scripture should be used as weapons against your spouse. The gender isn't an issue here. Its a sin no matter who you are.

submit to your husband


Susan's Sunny Side... This is my life...
had an article today that truly bothered me. The blogger herself didn't - it was the concept of the Irish Catholic Church wanting to change scripture. I won't say that I can't understand WHY they wish to do this when you look at domestic violence within the church, but I don't think I can agree that changing scripture is going to change attitudes.

She mentions:

I was to read that in August 2000, the Irish Catholic Church proposed dropping seven texts from a proposed new Lectionary because they "give an undesirably negative impression regarding women." The Irish Bishops' new Domestic Violence document recommended the following texts for deletion.


Reading II Eph 5:21 - 32 or 5:2a, 25-32
Brothers and sisters:Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord.For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church,he himself the savior of the body. As the church is subordinate to Christ,so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything.Husbands, love your wives,even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her,cleansing her by the bath of water with the word,that he might present to himself the church in splendor,without spot or wrinkle or any such thing,that she might be holy and without blemish. So also husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church,because we are members of his body.For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife,and the two shall become one flesh.This is a great mystery,but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

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Brothers and sisters:Live in love, as Christ loved us. Husbands, love your wives,even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her,cleansing her by the bath of water with the word,that he might present to himself the church in splendor,without spot or wrinkle or any such thing,that she might be holy and without blemish. So also husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church,because we are members of his body.For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife,and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery,but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

Changing scripture?

Changing scripture to me isn't going to stop the attitudes of those that abuse others. To me this a heart and soul deal, and SURE scripture had been used incorrectly I agree. Changing the scripture isn't going to solve the issue. The sinful habit patterns of the person doesn't change by rewriting scripture to somehow uplift women.

To me this is another easy way out, and scripture isn't the problem! The problem is the humans, and their abuse they thrust upon others. NO! I don't think it will even SLOW them down!

We can't avoid dealing with domestic violence, sexual abuse, and child abuse by changing scripture to make it more - I don't know even or something? It makes no sense to me.

Instead we need to deal the brokeness of those that abuse, and those that are abused. We need to change our outlooks, attitudes, and culture. We need to stop hiding from the hard work that NEEDS to be done! Controlling behavior isn't going to stopped in this way! You don't stop or even slow down the cycle of abuse by changing text. People don't stop being emotional abusers towards their spouses and children, and their sense of entitlement due to this.

Am I missing something here? It makes no sense to me. To me God would wish us to do the hard work towards the attitudes of the people on this planet, and not think that changing scripture is going to help them in this way.

To me this is a stand of laziness and denial. It may sound good on the surface, but it isn't going to work the way they feel it will. Afterall scripture doesn't 'give an undesirably negative impression regarding women'. Humans find ways of doing that.

What you do think? Is changing things like SUBMIT your husband going to stop them from demanding it anyway?


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1 comments:

zoeygirl on 5:15 PM said...

I agree that changing scripture is not the answer. I think the problem with these people (and the church at large) is that they have ALREADY cut 2 Cor. 3:5-6 out of their Bibles. It states: "Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to think anything as of ourselves, but our sufficiency is of God; who hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter killeth, and the Spirit giveth life."

They are focusing on the LETTER of the law rather than the SPIRIT. If they interpret these Scripture by the letter--that marriage is some sort of master/servant relationship where a woman must put up with abuse--then the woman's spirit is going to be killed. Just like the verse says.

If they would only focus on the spirit of the law--for example, I believe the spirit of God's law is that wives never put up with abuse--they would realize that they don't need to interpret these passages as condoning abuse or a master/servant relationship because that was not the spirit that was ever intended. The spirit is that husbands and wives have a mutual, trusting relationship, and that they use their God-given abilities as interpreters of the New Testatment to figure out what works for them to make their marriage work. And when there is abuse in the marriage, one party must use that abiliity, in conjunction with the Spirit, to decide what to do next.

This means churches need to stop handing down cookie-cutter versions of what they think an Ephesians 5 marriage should look.

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