Sunday, May 07, 2006

Interview with Paul Hegstrom

Posted by Hannah at 11:29 AM

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The following is an interview with Paul Hegstrom, posted on the web site: It first appeared in STEPS, a publication of the National Association for Christian Recovery.

STEPS: Your work with men who batter did not begin as the result of some kind of academic interest.

PAUL: Definitely not. Let me give you a brief history. My father was a Nazarene pastor. So, I was raised in a Christian family. To most people I looked like a fine Christian. But I battered my wife for years starting from before we were married. I was physically abusive and very emotionally abusive. I hated being like that. But I could not stop. I even became a pastor in the hopes that it would help me stop the abusive behavior.

STEPS: It must have been really difficult to face the fact that becoming more religious wasn't going to fix what needed to be fixed.

PAUL: It was. I honestly felt that I would be unable to abuse my wife if I were a pastor. I thought there would be accountability to the church leadership and so on. But there were many Sundays when I would scream and yell and slap the kids around and push, shove or hit Judy and maybe an hour later I would be in the pulpit.

I can remember preaching many a Sunday morning when I'd have flash-backs and my message would not flow and I'd wonder "what am I doing in front of this congregation when less than an hour ago I was abusing my family in the parsonage?" I was knocking holes in the walls of the parsonage. Judy would lock herself in the bathroom and I'd put my shoulder to the door and break it down.

When I left the ministry after three and a half years the parsonage was in shambles. About this time I left my wife and family. I moved away from everything I knew. We divorced. I really thought that I was lost. And since I was already lost for eternity I might as well “party hearty” while I had time.

So, I got into drugs and alcohol, sexual addiction, and live-in relationships. But the battering continued. I almost killed the woman I was living with. That is actually what forced me to finally get help. To avoid being prosecuted for attempted murder I agreed to enter a program for men who batter.

STEPS: I know there are many more resources available today for batterers than were available when you first got help. What was most helpful to you back then?

PAUL: The main benefit of the program for me was that I was forced to recognize that the problem was about me. I had a problem. It wasn't about my wife, my girlfriend, my parents, the kids, the dog, whatever. It was my problem. So, I started to learn something about me. That was helpful. But it wasn't really getting to the depths I needed and I became extremely frustrated. I also became extremely angry with God during this time. A key turning point for me was one night when I was wrestling with God in prayer. I remember screaming at God in the middle of the night until I had no more tears and no more voice. It was then that I heard God say "Paul, you don't have a teachable spirit." I knew immediately that we had hit pay-dirt! I knew that I did not have a teachable spirit. All of my life I had been an authority to myself. No one could give me any kind of input. So, I started to pray "God teach me to be teachable." That was the beginning of the change for me.

STEPS: What do you see as the roots of family violence?

PAUL: Put simply, violence is about arrested emotional development. If the wounds you experienced in childhood have stopped your emotional development, you have never developed your core or real personality and character. What happens is that you develop a pseudo personality that is not a true identity. This personality consists of the expectations of important people in your life of whom you fear rejection. The pseudo personality becomes very changeable, depending on who you are with and where you are. This is the "double minded man" referred to in the book of James.

The primary symptom of arrested emotional development because of a wounded childhood is the insistence that I am my own authority. There is an intense distaste for any kind of authority. If your wife says “How much money is in the checking account? I need to buy groceries.” this is immediately an authority issue. We fight the authority of the boss, the foreman, the authority of the pastor, of God. One of the difficulties with traditional therapeutic approaches to helping batterers is that the therapist can be an authority figure. Batterers will play the game of therapy to get through but the real hidden agenda may remain 'no one is going to tell me what to do.'

If you have been wounded early in life and your development process has been frozen, you are locked into what I call the ‘age of directives.' This leaves you very dependent and makes it very difficult for you to make decisions. You can make decisions for other people and control their lives, but decisions for your life are made by indecision, circumstances, situations and other people. You have no control of your life so you try to manipulate and control circumstances, situations and other people. This results in a life of chaos.

If you are stuck in the age of directives, the stage where parent's fix everything, then you are always looking for a Mommy to make it right for you because you cannot resolve your own conflicts. You grow chronologically, marry and many times you make a Mommy out of your spouse. When you're in crisis you try to get her to fix it or, in essence, if she'll get help then everything will be okay. This becomes your way of escaping your own responsibilities and blame-shifting the responsibility to her. This never resolves the core problem because this is an individual issue, not a marriage issue.

The key to recovery is to restart the emotional development process that was damaged in childhood. I call that process 'developmental reconstruction.' We don't need to be driven by childhood wounds for a lifetime. We can develop a real personality to replace the pseudo personality that has led to such chaos.

STEPS: You mentioned earlier that you hated being abusive. Why do you think you did things you hated?

PAUL: When you are wounded in early childhood you never reach the age of decision emotionally. Many times you know what you should do, but you are driven by your irrational belief systems and survival methods to maintain control. You end up doing what you hate because you are driven by your wounds and unresolved conflicts.

STEPS: Many people are skeptical about the possibility of recovery for abusive men.

PAUL: If I can do it, anyone can. I was deeply lost in the abusive process and deeply wounded by childhood trauma. It's not an easy thing to recover from. It's hard work. But it is possible. Even though I abused her for many years, after several years of hard work in recovery Judy and I remarried. We have had to work hard on our relationship but we have broken the cycle of abuse in our generation. I still have to work on my recovery, we still work hard in our relationship. And our kids have had a lot of issues to work on because of all the abusiveness in our family. But my grandchildren now live in homes that have been freed from the dynamics of abuse. That to me is exciting! Recovery is possible because God is a magnificent God. God has made a way of escape!


Paul Hegstom is the founder of Life Skills International (PO Box 31227, Aurora, CO 80041-1227, 303-340-0598) a network of over 90 programs offering support groups and intensive workshops for men who batter. His latest book, Angry Men and the Women Who Love Them will be released in the near future by Beacon Hill Press.

This interview first appeared in STEPS, a publication of the National Association for Christian Recovery.


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The Real Gal on 3:48 PM said...

I am actually taking this class now, Family Life Skills.

Anonymous said...

That's Awesome Real Gal! I have heard alot of good things about his program. That man has a story to tell that's for sure!

Anonymous said...

I agree with everything Dr. Paul Hegstrom says here. His academic knowledge is impressive, and it should be beneficial. But therein lies the problem -- a disconnect between his knowledge and his practical application of it. I know of what I speak, and it cost me thousands of dollars and five days in his office to figure it out.

My wife and I participated in a Life Skills "Intensive" which consisted of 6-8 hours a day watching videos, and 1-2 hours in counseling. The videos were helpful, but the counseling was the worst we'd ever experienced. We felt like we needed to seek therapy for what we'd had to endure from his counselor associate, Dr. Debra Buss!

Dr. Hegstrom told us he gave up counseling long ago. It's a good thing he did. Private discussions I had with him, during breaks, quickly demonstrated why he is unfit to counsel anyone other than abusive men like himself, or battered women. He is hasty and even eager to project his unresolved insecurities and emotional problems onto others, of which he has many, including anger issues he claims to have resolved. "You're just like me" is something he told me everyday, as he went on to reveal yet more bizarre stories about himself--things that I have never even thought of doing myself, let alone actually perpetrating. Strange behavior for a mental health professional.

Were Dr. Hegstrom's choice of a staff counselor a good one, his own peculiar bedside manner might not be a significant hindrance to Life Skills International being a viable counseling practice. However, Dr. Debra Buss has many of her own unresolved issues (including anger and hostility) and is in serious need of therapy herself. As my wife was quick to note, Dr. Buss is a certifiable man-hater.

What's especially remarkable is that Paul Hegstrom is a man-hater too, and quick to blame men for all the relational problems in the world, while being equally eager to give women a pass. In Paul Hegstrom's universe, men are always the perps and women are always the victims; and if it can be shown that a women is the perp, it's always still the man's fault (he must have done something to make her become abusive).

Paul Hegstrom and Debra Buss might do you some good, provided you fit neatly into their narrow profile: Either you are a violent/abusive male, or you are an abused female. If you don't fit the profile they'll attempt to stuff you in it anyway. Their confirmation bias prevents them from seeing patients in an objective light.

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