I'm sickened by a moderator on a board coming to the women's forum to step in, and tell women to stay and pray. Truly sickened!
He starts with:
This is going to be one of those rare times when, as a leader on this board, a man is going to post in the ladies forum. But in this case I think it important because there are just some things being said in here that require it.
I asked this question of a lady that disagrees with me on this matter and I'll ask here as well.
Which do you figure more important in God's eyes. The relationship between a slave and master or a husband and wife? It seems an insane question doesn't it. But we know the answer because we know the importance of a covenant relationship and the weight God puts behind such relationship.
Let's forget all of the emotional and worldly logic here and let's see what the Bible has to say about stuff just like this. I know that the world is going to tell you all sorts of thing and I know if you are being abused in any fashion... those ways are going to sound like a relief. But are those ways biblical ways and if we are going to offer someone advice let's offer them honest biblical advice. On the Internet, you are going to get folks that come in and share their problems in marriage. The big problem here is that you are simply hearing only one side of the issue. Often times that is skewed, even unintentionally, by the person telling their problem. They are frustrated and at their wits end and it is easy to sort of stretch things a bit or leave some important information out. But that being said... biblical advice holds true at all times... regardless of anything else.
1 Peter 2:18 Household slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.
19 For it brings favor if, because of conscience toward God, someone endures grief from suffering unjustly.
20 For what credit is there if you endure when you sin and are beaten? But when you do good and suffer, if you endure, it brings favor with God.
21 For you were called to this because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you should follow in His steps.
22 He did not commit sin, and no deceit was found in His mouth,
23 when reviled; He did not revile in return; When suffering, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to the One who judges justly.
24 He himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that, having died to sins, we might live for righteousness; by His wounding you have been healed.
25 For you were like sheep going astray, but you have now returned to the shepherd and guardian of your souls.
Now look... I know that folks are thinking, "HEY Ken! I am not a slave nor is my husband my master so this just isn't applicable!
That person was correct. When the scripture starts out talking about slaves, and then goes to wives – then husbands most would assume that they are addressing those parties separately. I mean either that or does all scripture apply to everyone – if so why all the talk about roles?
Scripture also mentioned something else about slaves: 1Co 7:21Were you a slave when you were called? That shouldn't bother you. However, if you have a chance to become free, take it.
Notice it doesn’t say to stay and take it there.
We all know there will be times of suffering, and there isn't going to be solutions to had! That is when you rely on God ONLY, and in other situations its okay to lean on others along with God. He is never out of the picture, but we must not downsize the value of fellowship! God handed us that great tool as well!
Now look... I know that folks are thinking, "HEY Ken! I am not a slave nor is my husband my master so this just isn't applicable!
Sure it is guys and this is IMPORTANT and it is BIBLICAL so please... listen to what Scripture teaches us here.
1 Peter 3:1 Wives, IN THE SAME WAY, submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, even if some disobey the Christian message, they may be won over without a message by the way their wives live, when they observe your pure, reverent lives.
I know that it is so easy to swallow much of the worldly advice that is given by the television shrinks and even folks within this thread. It sounds good to your flesh because your flesh is miserable in your marriage and this sounds like such a better way to do things. The problem... it isn't the biblical way to do things. Any woman... wanting to truly be a godly wife is going to be the woman that submits to her husband PERIOD. Even the ones that we like to label jerks and mean men. IF YOU ENDURE it then you will find favor with God. There is great reward for this even though here in the nasty now and now... it might not be such a pleasant time.
I have to wonder if moderator's on faith board like the (Thread was removed) Bible Forums and their moderator Ken realize the are enabling abusive behavior. Jesus's followers (besides Jesus himself) endured abuse for a purpose, and I have to wonder if enabling an abuser and what those people did he thinks is in the same realm??
Where does he find that if you 'endure' you will find favor is God? No where. It just makes me sick. That is what I called Spiritual or Religious abuse. Jesus came to take our burden, and not add to our load. Enduring abuse is just that. We endure things for a purpose, and because faith followers don't know what to do with abusers and don't want their divorce rates to go up anymore.........isn't purpose!
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