Why do say AGENDA? Way of Life it seems got extremely defensive over it, and without knowing WHOM the people are behind the request! Lets look at the their point of view, because it shows the attitude right away. CHRISTIAN FEMINISTS DEMAND APOLOGY FOR “TEACHING THAT DENIGRATES WOMEN”
Does David Cloud know the sources in which he calls 'feminists'? It doesn't seem so, or he wouldn't have placed that out there. A respected author would know their sources, and its a shame he got lazy on that part. A respected writer always tends to allow their writers to make up their minds, and get people thinking as well! Sadly, you can tell by his agenda ridden article that it wouldn't have mattered anyway WHOM the people are. He didn't like it, and so they are feminists. It sounds like a title that may catch some attention though doesn't it?
The saddest part is? He never read the apology before he starts making strange over the top comments about it. If he claims he read it? I think he may wish to go back, and read it again.
A group that calls itself the Freedom for Christian Women Coalition has issued a “Demand for Apology” from those who teach that women should submit to their husbands and that they are forbidden to preach.I mean look at the very first statement? Does that sum up the apology at all? Not even close. Its a way of getting his readers all fired up.
The group called out the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood in particular for its “complementarian” interpretation that says men and women “are equally in the image of God but assigns them complementary differences in role and function.” This position became part of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Baptist Faith and Message in 1998. It says in part that “the wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.” This statement enrages the shrill, in-your-face feminists associated with the Freedom for Christian Women Coalition.Actually, the Danver's Statement has been questioned by many. The SBC has lost good missionaries, churches, pastors, etc that didn't agree with it.
I can imagine what kind of respond they must have received when questioning them about it. I mean LOOK at the above reaction again?
We must divert from what the Freedom for Christian Women Coalition maybe trying to say by stating they are: shrill, in-your-face feminists. If you take issue with something? Don't respond in a Christlike way, but lets show our 'leadership' traits in this fashion! GOSH! The grace this man shows must make Jesus beam with joy! (Yes sarcasm!)
This isn't the first time people have called their attention to some of their teachings, and pointed out abusive practices it can create. Practices they will claim they don't stand behind, but when you see the reaction to this issue? They stonewall or call out the Koolaid gang that will never show their disloyalty by questioning them.
Assuming for themselves the divine prerogative of knowing the motives of men’s hearts, they claim that “complementarian” doctrine is “more about power and control than about love or obeying the Word of God” (Associated Baptist Press, July 26, 2010). They demand that such beliefs be renounced and “confessed as sin.”I had to giggle at his first sentence! I mean seriously! He uses 'divine prerogative' of knowing the motives, and political standing of this group does he not? I know that doesn't count does it?
We are concerned that the issue of wifely submission, promoted so heavily by the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, is more about power and control than about love or obeying the Word of God.
I'm know there are good people that are complementarian, but even they will admit some of the teachings can be taken to far. The refusal to call out those that distort their teachings? You can't discuss it with them. They refuse to even go there, and when a group got together and push this a bit since they refuse? The Koolaid drinkers come out, and do their darnest to twist what is being brought up. They are called names, and can't even portray what as written! People with agendas? They do that!
They even claim that the “complementarian” view promotes abuse. Cindy Kunsman, one of the speakers at the recent Freedom for Christian Women Coalition conference in Orlando, said, “Many women suffer as a result of the ‘evil woman theology’ perpetuated by CBMW because their sub-Christian view of the nature of women scapegoats women as the root cause of all problems within both marriage and the family.” This is a ridiculous statement. To uphold the Bible’s teaching about women has nothing to do with blaming them as the root cause of problems.
When you take teachings to far? YES it can promote abuse! Why not admit it?
If you read enough of their writings they are forever on the feminist rant! I think some of it we may all agree with, but then other things they bring up? Its just nonsense. Its very seriously one sided, and I haven't seen them come up with a label for men that ruin society like they have women. The feminist portion is just one part, but I wanted to give an example.
In fact, the Bible lays the blame for the fall of the human race on Adam rather than Eve (Romans 5:12). When it comes to the home, God puts the greatest obligation at the feet of the husband and father. He is to love his wife as Christ loves the church, which is the highest standard of compassion conceivable (Ephesians 5:25). He is warned not to provoke his children to wrath but to “bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord” (Ephesians 6:4). To love and nurture is the opposite of abuse. Any man who abuses his wife and children does so in direct rebellion to the Bible and to the “complementarian” teaching based on the Bible.To me? This shows lip service. You want to point out how you disagree with something? That's fine! You want to represent a group by not even talking about their points, and instead get defensive? You want to throw out labels, and name call without even knowing whom is in the group? That shows agenda.
In time both men and women when they wish to bring up points within this type of circle. They are going to be driven away, because its clear they refuse to listen. They stonewall, and place words in your mouth. They tell you what you believe, and hand you a label. They will call you out, but you don't call them out.
I know alot of people are going to take this man's word for what is written in the apology instead of just reading for themselves, and stopping to think about the reasons they may have been written.
That is what David Cloud is counting on. You know what that shows? Agenda.
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