tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post4060853349306226069..comments2024-02-08T21:51:21.368-06:00Comments on Emotional Abuse and Your Faith: Fashions in bigotry come and go. The right thing lasts.Hannahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15165967476661656865noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-60047249687196843682010-02-25T20:07:04.229-06:002010-02-25T20:07:04.229-06:00I find it sad that many churches and men still vie...I find it sad that many churches and men still view women in this way. I personally suffer from low self esteem, and have been to churches where the women were treated as less than. Mix that with low self image and I am still struggling with my worth and value in Christ. Thank you for posting this.Lyndiegracehttp://lyndiegrace.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-85371271239206194542010-02-25T11:24:04.949-06:002010-02-25T11:24:04.949-06:00Yes - I liked her comment as well!
You are correc...Yes - I liked her comment as well!<br /><br />You are correct in alot of ways people have just brought in (for lack of a better term) to the some concept that truly isn't what they think it is.<br /><br />The one I truly shook my head at? 3cappuccinosmom was told: Yes, Maggie, generally the loudest, most outspoken, most controversial feminists are the ones who get the most press, so I see your point, even if millions of "me, me, me" feminists are serving their families quietly in the best way they know how.<br /><br />The poster was telling her that the church uses a SMALL amount of 'out there' as they put it feminists, and use them as the example of WHY its bad overall! Basically a scare tactic. Capp was trying to generalize that all belong into one group at first. When it was pointed out that her 'group' was extremely small?<br /><br />She responds with:<br /><br />Kinda like how a teeny-tiny minority group that is very vocal gets made the face of "patriarchy"/conservative complementarianism, while the majority of conservative folks are living out a Biblical family order lovingly and thoughtfully without abuse or oppression of women?<br /><br />Its funny how its okay for the church to use the 'extreme and small number', but lets mock the 'teeny tiny' group that abuse others with faith. So basically they can use their small focus group, but we don't need to deal with the other. OUR group is SMALL and your group is teeny tiny. In other words, we will only discuss what helps our stands and opinions with scare tactics attached - and we throw out the teeny tiny rest with bath water. Nice.<br /><br />I guess they missed the connection.Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15165967476661656865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-54173086758566392012010-02-25T10:13:22.212-06:002010-02-25T10:13:22.212-06:00BTW, the best Comment on that board, by HisLamb26,...BTW, the best Comment on that board, by HisLamb26, and she says,<br /><br />I have grown to like having a bank account, establishing credit, and voting. I am glad domestic violence is now considered a crime rather than private family business. I am glad I dont have to put up with sexual harassment at work, and my daughters dont have to put up with it at school. I am glad my life and the lives of my daughers is not limited to a small handful of choices. I am glad my pay and benefits is based on what is between my ears rather than what is between my legs. I am glad my daughters can get married someday because they WANT to, not because they have no other way to support themselves.<br /><br />Any questions?<br /><br />see her comment on post 36, too, She nailed it, Really nailed it-- of all the Comments I read, SHE GETS IT.<br /><br />Love,<br /><br />JaneJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-90758400396343816942010-02-25T10:08:19.744-06:002010-02-25T10:08:19.744-06:00Con't--
There really IS, a lot of Ignorance, ...Con't--<br />There really IS, a lot of Ignorance, [I'M REALLY SURPRISED AT THE DEPTH OF IGNORANCE IN THE CHURCH AMONG WOMEN SERIOUSLY] of what feminism is, and what it's really about. Especially, Radical Feminism.<br /><br />And Hannah I have to say, they [women in church] are Just as 'in CHAINS' by not just their husbands but by the Entire conservative right wing Religious Culture that they are on the Same level, in So many ways, that the Women in Islam are--because it's Gender Oppression under the Iron Fist of Theocracy.<br /><br />Though, in the Churchianity Culture [West, in the East this applies too but there is a big difference to a large degree Because of the Persecutions of All Christians which tends to lesson the hierarchy within the 'church'] the Iron Fist is neatly covered with a Velvet Glove.<br /><br />But it's still there--and I think women Within the church--are arriving at a Consciousness of Gender Oppression, more and more--while Ironically, the Secular Feminists [liberal, not so much with Radical] are Retreating--due to the Backlash [nationalism and Esp Religious Theocracy] and well, this generation's ignorance of What it took for women, to even have the Legal Right, to file Rape Charges...<br /><br />this is Why, for Women, it's Essential, really, to find freedom in Christ Jesus--not Religion, but in Jesus--He is the only one that can lose the chains, inside woman--no matter if she is still in prison, in this world. In God's [true] Kingdom, she is not. <br /><br />Love, Jane<br /><br />In solidarity, a Radical Feminist in Christ Jesus,JaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-6309521087967969342010-02-25T10:01:49.537-06:002010-02-25T10:01:49.537-06:00cont And how she sees herself. But it doesn'...cont And how she sees herself. But it doesn't Stop there because women AS property-Sexual Beings for men, are Targeted in Wars to hurt men/destroy societies, targeted as the 'other' to exploit economy OR to boost economy, targeted as 'objects' of sex for economy--or targeted as 'objects' of pro-creation for the war machine or labor machine or race machine...<br /><br />or destroyed because of...AND then the competition between women, for Any human rights, at the Expense of those 'other women'.<br /><br />What also happens is that Because of the depth of gender hate of women, the Internalizations are So deep--that how women Perceive the Female Gender [through the lens of men, religion, race] and in the deconstructs of those even [that while misandrous can also be Misogynist as well], it gets divisive. Like any other Emancipation movement--except for women, it's a hundred times worse.<br /><br />But, secular speaking here [due to sin nature I don't believe emancipation will Come in this world, not in it's fullness going back to Genesis], but Secular reference here--until Women stop pitting against women for their preservation for the tiny little bit of 'faux' power they do have, they will never be free from the overall Systems of Male Supremacy, to rape, kill, destroy and rule over all women--to mass Terrorize them, esp with rape. The problem is, too many women do not see their oppression linked to All forms of Gender Oppression=<br /><br />especially within the church. The church [Western] is so wrapped up in race/nationalism and 'class' that of course they [women that is] will not understand really how when they oppose 'feminism' they really, are just clamping the yoke and chains of sexual slavery, terrorism/ onto themselves--don't matter if their husbands are nice or not--they Still, are in need of male protection, to walk free without fear--the less empowered [race/class] a woman is, even married, the less freedom she has as a woman to be totally FREE from the fear of rape, violence, etc.,<br /><br />in war, NO WOMAN, IS FREE FROM BEING THE FIELD THAT IS BLOODIED, simply because 'SHE' is nothing more,<br /><br />than the Sex Hole Property of MAN.<br /><br />And the thing is, too many women, just don't see that. Until, they are brutally raped, gang raped, beaten, impoverished, marginalized and invisible--she won't see, or denies ,her Reality, on this planet<br /><br />simply because she was born with a<br /><br />Vagina.JaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-47942125482255290522010-02-25T10:01:08.727-06:002010-02-25T10:01:08.727-06:00have to post this in two parts due to word count
...have to post this in two parts due to word count<br /><br />I signed up to post,[still waiting for the admission, though not sure If I really Want to like educate there--keep reading] I AM a RADICAL FEMINIST. OK, scrolled through the comments, number 1. There is SO MUCH IGNORANCE, SERIOUS SERIOUS IGNORANCE, OF WHAT IS RADICAL FEMINISM.<br /><br />There is a LOT of Opinions that simply are not based on FACTS but on what they've been Taught by Men/Patriarchy/Culture -- including Media Bias/deliberate on propaganda of what Radical Feminism, Liberal Feminism, Socialist Feminism, Anarcha-Feminism, Marxist Feminism [it differs from Socialist], Radical Lesbian Feminism, Maternal Feminism [from 1st Wave], Post Modern Feminism, Eco Feminism...NEED I GO ON HERE,<br /><br />Feminism, bottom line is this: WOMEN ARE HUMAN BEINGS, NOT ORIFICES FOR MEN.<br /><br />NOW, where it gets Confusing, is that the first is the challenging of 'laws' that confine women to the challenging of 'mores' that confine women to the challenging of 'norms' and then of 'culture' and 'religion' and then 'economics' then 'Gender Constructs' and then 'Race, Class and ALL COMBINED, etc'.<br /><br />Radical, means really to look under Every rock, to GET AT THE ROOT, that is All radical means, whether it be in polemic, deconstructing Slavery or Gender Slavery--or Monarchy, it simply means to turn over every rock and get at the ROOT so that the oppression will NOT surface again in another Form.<br /><br />The Problem however, in Feminism, is that of All THE OPPRESSIONS, gender oppression is the Most complex for Several reasons, one, we are oppressed as a Class, a.k.a. Gender due to our Vagina's, literally, ok., BUT,<br /><br />we are oppressed Differently--due to Race, Class, Religion [religious wars] and Ethnicity--Marital Status, so forth,<br /><br />and then, Within All Those subgroups where we belong there are Common threads of Gender oppression YET with common levels of Women oppressing other Women--by either Feeding the Patriarchy [because they benefit from] or by feeding the Other 'hierarchies' because they benefit from--<br /><br />THEN it gets confusing because Gender Oppression, is Both PRIVATE AND PUBLIC.<br /><br />But it doesn't effect us All the same. Patriarchy is more than husband over wife. And it's in Those deconstructs that the Conflicts, over HOW to emancipate, begin--why you have so many split in theories,<br /><br />it's the One oppression that we All share a common bond yet share also different forms of, does that make sense? The more we See how the Root is connected in them all, the more deeper we go, to deconstruct--however there is NOT agreement there, because Women, Globally, have also Internalized Misogyny Because it IS SO INTIMATE...<br /><br />due to the fact that we Experience Misogyny, INTIMATELY ON A SEXUAL LEVEL IN OUR MOST INTIMATE BEING.<br /><br />And THAT--that is the gist of it...the Human Rights of Woman--is All wrapped up in HOW 'SHE' is viewed as a SEXUAL BEING FOR MEN.JaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-19169825730830227132010-02-23T14:15:21.268-06:002010-02-23T14:15:21.268-06:00Hannah, bad news, but needs to be told, just got w...Hannah, bad news, but needs to be told, just got word in, looks like the support against Porn will be nill to none now. I AM a Radical Feminist, Anti-Porn, we've been sold out Again by none other than those feminists [NOW, NYC] who seem to prefer touting the male worship and selling out women in process. Next thing you know they'll be Normalizing Rape & Child Rape too Nothing surprise me anymore...it's a mental disease I think. Looks like many of us will be going it Alone--but Alone I will go, in Christ, to the Death if need be...<br /><br />see: http://homesewersneedleworkersunion-hsnwu.blogspot.com/2010/02/feminists-who-sold-us-out-againnext.htmlJaneDoeThreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214008105767162997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-3180105220338558702010-02-22T13:07:04.043-06:002010-02-22T13:07:04.043-06:00Which board Anonymous?Which board Anonymous?Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15165967476661656865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-13888866452244430572010-02-22T08:12:42.671-06:002010-02-22T08:12:42.671-06:00You should post some of these quotes on the board ...You should post some of these quotes on the board and see what comments you get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com