tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post1866350864754057133..comments2024-02-08T21:51:21.368-06:00Comments on Emotional Abuse and Your Faith: Differing Applications of Home and Church - So why is Mary Kassian upset when you write a book about it?Hannahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15165967476661656865noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-7964982614003669032012-12-10T07:16:38.780-06:002012-12-10T07:16:38.780-06:00OK, I'm squirming now. Edith Schaeffer and Eli...OK, I'm squirming now. Edith Schaeffer and Elisabeth Elliot were my favorite authors. Couldn't quite understand why my older women mentors in church didn't share my enthusiasm. I was certainly the flag-bearer for complementarianism in my church, even though I hadn't heard of such a term. <br /><br />Now, after exiting a 25 year old violent marriage, my view has changed, not because of my experience, but because of the opportunity to research and study the Scriptures with an open mind.<br /><br />I am certain that my kids would have been more protected and less damaged had I left the marriage earlier, and had I not been committed to the model of being the "virtuous homemaker" who lived to support the "head of the house" in spite of his ungodliness and abusiveness. My daughters? They don't espouse that sort of theology, not after what they have seen it do to their lives. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-39745433417851087372012-12-03T02:59:44.272-06:002012-12-03T02:59:44.272-06:00I can't believe she's never heard of Edith...I can't believe she's never heard of Edith Schaeffer. that's bizarre. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-58731465731200086482012-12-01T09:35:46.082-06:002012-12-01T09:35:46.082-06:00Driscoll's opinions at times need church disci...Driscoll's opinions at times need church discipline. He is so totally over the top at times. Someone needs to love him enough to stand up to this stuff, and call him on the mat.Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15165967476661656865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-604064079290051292012-11-30T15:50:26.282-06:002012-11-30T15:50:26.282-06:00Hannah, thankyou, this is great.
Anon @ #6
Not on...Hannah, thankyou, this is great.<br /><br />Anon @ #6<br />Not only is this taught in all the comp leaning churches, they back this up with material from the CBMW.<br /><br />The church doesn't just reinforce this nonsense - it enforces it too. Consider Driscoll's popular YouTube clip circulating these days - he takes an audience question: If the woman wants to and the man is OK with it, can the woman be the breadwinner while the man voluntarily stays home? His response: That would be a case for church discipline. Valnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-83629025981448958602012-11-16T18:58:05.686-06:002012-11-16T18:58:05.686-06:00Cindy - Abbott and Costello! I love it!
Anonymo...Cindy - Abbott and Costello! I love it! <br /><br />Anonymous 6 - If Kassian would get off the feminist rant, and rant about some of what she feels is 'fringe' groups? I would have more respect for her, but sadly each time she speaks she shows how out of touch she is. If I were guessing...I assume she feels she might be attacked if she said anything about the fringe groups, and she realizes the feminists pretty much laugh at her. I mean what wave is current now? She is still back at the second one.<br /><br />Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15165967476661656865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-34710870232742809512012-11-15T15:02:45.312-06:002012-11-15T15:02:45.312-06:00I find Kassian's review really problematic. I ...I find Kassian's review really problematic. I believe SHE is the one putting forth a straw (wo)man.<br /><br />She basically says that RHE misrepresents how strongly complementarianism tries to keep women in the home. Technically, many complementarian material may give lip service to the idea of women going beyond the sphere of home. But Kassian can't be naive enough not to realize that THE REALITY LIVED OUT IN MOST CONSERVATIVE CHURCHES is that women are encouraged to focus more on home and family than men are, especially during the years when their children are little.<br /><br />How anyone can be in the evangelical church and not know this is a mystery to me. I am 29 and have been to a lot of churches, and I can tell you that women are groomed from a very young age to believe that they will put their careers "on hold" when children come, that their husband's job is the one they will move across the country for, that men are supposed to be the breadwinners and that a woman's most proud moment is when she realizes all the sacrifice she's made for her toddler. These people may not be forbidding women to participate in spheres outside the home, but women are DEFINITELY praised for reducing those spheres once they get married and have babies, while men are allowed to continue in all their out-of-home pursuits without any repercussions.<br /><br />RHE has not misrepresented this attitude. It does exist. If Kassian wants to argue about whether complementarianism FORBIDS women from doing things outside the home, fine. But surely she must admit that women in conservative churches don't feel as free as men to arrange their personal lives however they want them, and that the church is only good at reinforcing a picture of the home that looks like traditional gender roles. For Kassian to pretend this is not true is for her to "misrepresent" just as badly as she accuses Evans of doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-6789017235481944812012-11-13T00:03:42.204-06:002012-11-13T00:03:42.204-06:00Why is it that reading Mary Kassian always reminds...Why is it that reading Mary Kassian always reminds me of Abbot and Costello's "Who's On First"?<br /><br />The bottom line is that complementartianism is something they just slapped a label on and propped up, and a group of people came up with a bunch of products to sell associated with it. Elements of Christianity are incorporated within it, but it's mostly personal preference and the traditions of men that are advanced by propaganda techniques so a select group of people can milk other people for money and power.<br /><br />In the end, that's all Mary and her cohorts have -- confusion and a lot of talk, and no one really knows what they're talking about. Sadly, though, at least with Abbot and Costello, they produced some humor. Complementarianism just produces heartache.<br /><br />Cynthia Kunsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08060294887790881860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-50536343050123692302012-11-12T19:11:11.710-06:002012-11-12T19:11:11.710-06:00Thank you Don!Thank you Don!Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15165967476661656865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-49238978068933406332012-11-12T19:10:49.123-06:002012-11-12T19:10:49.123-06:00I don't remember Rachel mentioning in what I h...I don't remember Rachel mentioning in what I have read about the sphere or highest calling. She may have quoted another author of course. <br /><br />Mary made a point that she is one of the founders or someone that was 'there' when the term was coined. Since Mary didn't know whom they were? I assumed she wanted to take ownership of the term itself. Her point was still silly, IMO.Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15165967476661656865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-6480289680468534442012-11-12T17:45:28.978-06:002012-11-12T17:45:28.978-06:00Excellent points. I hope Mary K. gets to read thi...Excellent points. I hope Mary K. gets to read this.Donald Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904992652259586383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10948559.post-20720067780443341672012-11-12T17:38:31.794-06:002012-11-12T17:38:31.794-06:00A few questions I would ask Mary Kassian:
1. D...A few questions I would ask Mary Kassian: <br /><br />1. Does "highest calling" mean the same thing as "only sphere"? Did Rachel ever say "only sphere" or words equivalent-- or did she say "highest calling"? I think they are two different things. I don't think Rachel ever said complementarians believed the home was the "only sphere." I think you switched terms. <br /><br />2. Does a movement only begin when someone gives it a name? I don't think that is correct. I think complementarianism as we know it really did start with Edith Schaefer and Elizabeth Elliot-- even if that wasn't its name yet. Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.com